Session Start: Tue Jul 23 00:00:00 2013 Session Ident: #glitchpc [00:00] * Now talking in #glitchpc
[00:00] * Topic is 'Welcome to #glitchpc chat. Profanity, trolls, and impersonation are not welcome here. Street1 has become a Silent Keyboard. http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/savannah/obituary.aspx?page=lifestory&pid=139870551'
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[04:59]<+camerongray> lol!
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[06:01]<PCdoc> is there anything like external gpu for laptop ?
[06:02]<PCdoc> <guest_36> is there anyway to upgrade the graphics card?
[06:02]<PCdoc> <guest_36> hello!
[06:02]<PCdoc> <Quantos> No guest_36, you would need to replace the laptop, or you could get an external GPU - but I have no idea how they perform in games.
[06:02]<@Mulreay> nope unless you jerry rig something
[06:03]<PCdoc> in google images search, i see some stereo like case with msi written on them and has been shown as external gpu
[06:03]<PCdoc> means quantos is out of his mind ?
[06:04]<PCdoc> oops! mind ..the word is not for him lol :P
[06:04]<@Mulreay> Like I say you would have to rig something up but I'm betting it's not easy
[06:05]<PCdoc> hmm
[06:06]<+camerongray> there are two kinds
[06:06]<+camerongray> simple ones are just really adapters to allow an external monitor over USB, not really a graphics card
[06:06]<+camerongray> my portable monitor works like this
[06:07]<+camerongray> the other is a PCI express adapter to allow a full card to be used. due to bandwidth it needs to connect either over thunderbolt or to an expresscard slot
[06:08]<+camerongray> people have used pretty high end cards with them but not sure how they run compared to an internal cars
[06:08]<PCdoc> that means if the on-board card dies, external card can be used?
[06:09]<+camerongray> hmm, not sure, it would only be able to drive an external display anyway
[06:09]<+camerongray> anyway
[06:10]<PCdoc> i cant trust what guitarman said just now .. coz what he speaks is not confirmed :P
[06:11]<PCdoc> never *
[06:31]<@Mulreay> Found my first game that this PC struggles with 'Deadlight' and I paid for it on Steam.. oh the irony
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[06:33]<+camerongray> lol, sure you can turn the settings down though
[06:33]<@Mulreay> Nope
[06:33]<+camerongray> Ahh
[06:33]<+camerongray> Imainge it on your old PC though! :P
[06:33]<@Mulreay> lol true
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[10:10]<+camerongray> Hey jacky
[10:10]<@jacky> camerongray: Hello
[10:12]<@Mulreay> Hello camerongray again and everyone elas
[10:12]<@Mulreay> else*
[10:12]<@Mulreay> and then jacky hello
[10:13]<@Mulreay> Joke doesn't work if your finger hits the enter key before time *sigh*
[10:13]<@jacky> I know... I was looking in the list of nicks that are here, for elas
[10:13]<@Mulreay> There's a script.. 'are you sure you want to send this?'
[10:13]<@jacky> hehehe
[10:14]<@Mulreay> heh
[10:14]<@Mulreay> Doubt that is possible though
[10:14]<@jacky> just wait for them to send it
[10:14]<@jacky> then you do:
[10:15]<@jacky> :)
[10:15]<@Mulreay> Well that's just plain rude
[10:15]<@jacky> hehehehe
[10:15]<@jacky> those bad bots....
[10:16]<+camerongray> hehehe
[10:17]<@Mulreay> Yeah 'one rule for us sentient beings and another for the.. not'
[10:17]<@jacky> should be ban Chanbot?
[10:20]<@jacky> !finger camerongray
[10:20]<+camerongray> lol!
[10:20]<@jacky> hehehe
[10:21]<+camerongray> That was interesting, got a little widget that pops up a notification when I get a PM, it went mental!
[10:21]<@jacky> heheh
[10:21]<@Mulreay> You should try getting the ChanbotVII ban list one when you sign in every week
[10:22]<@jacky> Mulreay: I'd forgotten that.
[10:22]<@Mulreay> ding ding ding didi didi ding ding ding then you think it stopped ding diidy ding ding ding dong ah it over diddy ding ding ding don dong
[10:23]<@jacky> ok.. I guess
[10:23]<@Mulreay> That's the mIRC dings of course
[10:23]<@jacky> I have them mostly off
[10:24]<@jacky> camerongray: should we attach the finger thing to the join thing, for db* ?
[10:24]<@jacky> <eg>
[10:24]<+camerongray> hehehe, don't think he'd be amused
[10:24]<@jacky> heheeh
[10:24]<@jacky> that would be too much... but it was fun to ask you
[10:25]<@jacky> Maybe we should just declare Wed July 23 to be 'Finger BC Day' where everybody remembers to send it to BC at least once
[10:25]<@jacky> what'dya think?
[10:25]<@Mulreay> Were not here to amuse db were here to amuse ourselves
[10:25]<@jacky> Ahhh.....
[10:25]<@jacky> heh
[10:26]<@Mulreay> And when was the last time you heard someone from CH lol, heh or hehe
[10:27]<@jacky> that's an interesting point
[10:27]<@jacky> phone... brb
[10:27]<@Mulreay> I have one of them
[11:09]<@jacky> see you all later...
[11:09]<@jacky> 
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[11:46]<@Mulreay> The third in line for the crown has been born.. cool.. can we get on with somthing else please like people dieing and stuff
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[13:02]<@Mulreay> Elizabeth Windsor @Queen_UK 1m
[13:02]<@Mulreay> Text from Catherine: "I can't stop stroking his little bald head!" Presumably she's referring to William. #RoyalBaby
[13:02]<@BC_Programming> I certainly hope so
[13:03]<@Mulreay> Seen him 'he's
[13:03]<@Mulreay> a male' care I do not
[13:04]<@BC_Programming> It's interesting that so much of the world appeared to be focussed and waiting for something to come out of her crotch
[13:08]<@Mulreay> I did take a piss one time that burned like a mofo because I had an infection but I did try not to bother the press because they had better things to do like waffle on about 'famous' people.. I do remember the time when my Mum had cancer but 'Jordan' held the headlines with some other shite comment/lifestyle she lives on.. (Katy Price) Fecking hore
[13:09]<@BC_Programming> "Today a man pissed on several royal guardsmen"
[13:11]<@Mulreay> STAY there we will have some cameras.. just stay strong so we can be there to film the dealth my frind
[13:12]<@BC_Programming> Have I mentioned how stupid people are about hockey
[13:12]<@BC_Programming> Vancouver loses stanley cup? riot
[13:12]<@BC_Programming> Vancouver Wins Stanley cup? Also riot
[13:13]<@Mulreay> I did enjoy 'Goon'
[13:13]<@BC_Programming> Because a hockey team only vicariously connected to you by being in a nearby city losing or winning a piece of shaped metal totally demands you to start looting small business owners and flipping cars in the vicinity
[13:13]<@Mulreay> As in your love to hurt people
[13:14]<@BC_Programming> Of course nobody seems to focus on how those hockey Players are making like a bajillion dollars
[13:14]<@BC_Programming> so they probably don't really care if they lose or win anyway, sort of like lawyers
[13:19]<@Mulreay> I do enjoy though as one of my all top films 'Goon'
[13:21]<@Mulreay> Not only do I like the Scotish but I pushed myself to like some Canadians aswell
[13:23]<@Mulreay> And if you took that as read then you don't get me
[13:23]<@BC_Programming> I'm just trying to avoid judging a movie from it's imdb entry
[13:31]<@Mulreay> My bad won't talk about it again
[14:53]<+camerongray> Hey Mulreay
[14:54]<+camerongray> Oh I know, they are being so awkward aren't they? "<LM> guest_88: your making thic harder by not having a cd drive or cd"
[14:55]<@BC_Programming> lol
[14:59]<+camerongray> I have one, used it like 3 times :P
[14:59]<+camerongray> I still generally do fit them when building, I mean, they are like £10
[15:03]<moocher> is any one about ?
[15:04]<+camerongray> I'm sort of here :P
[15:05]<+camerongray> Away and back though
[15:05]<moocher> ah, right, evening camerongray, just a quick question if you have the time
[15:05]<+camerongray> Hey, depends what the question is :P
[15:08]<moocher> well, i have been lurking shall we say in here and in computerhope and have noticed, how shall i put it, a bit of rivalry between the 2 chanels, is this normal or is there a reason for it ? Please tell me to sod off and mind my own business if need be, i will understand. Just being a nosey 'ol fart
[15:09]<moocher> P.S. have learnt a lot whilst loitering :)
[15:14]<jamer> moocher its not exactly a rivalry
[15:15]<@BC_Programming> it's not a rivalry. The helpers in CH are fucking morons. That's pretty much it
[15:16]<@BC_Programming> Fact is that much of their "advice" is flat out wrong, and they use their half-op or op powers to quiet anybody providing facts and evidence showing fallacies or problems with the advice by simply kicking and banning them and essentially reasserting that what they said is correct
[15:17]<@BC_Programming> either that or they fail at arguing against the claims made by moving the goalposts
[15:18]<moocher> right, I see, thought most of the advise given there was good and to the point, obviously not
[15:19]<moocher> BC_Programming: thanks for taking the time to give me an answer, much appreciated
[15:20]<+camerongray> moocher: We don't *hate* them, some of the helpers there really know their stuff, but some give really bad advice
[15:20]<+camerongray> The other thing that's potentially worse is when they make a minor error (as we all do) but throw a tantrum when they are corrected!
[15:21]<@BC_Programming> The issue is that the good helpers don't stick around very often
[15:22]<moocher> so its more a case of the way they work rather than the chanel it's self
[15:22]<+camerongray> Yeah
[15:22]<+camerongray> You get a lot of good helpers but they all give up quickly
[15:23]<+camerongray> Also when they help on things they have no ideas of trying to look smart and either look stupid or end up congfusing someone
[15:23]<@BC_Programming> My favourite was, DB:Windows Reserves a special work area so you don't get to use all your memory" and I pointed out that what he said made no sense at all and provided some facts about what would cause usable memory to be lower than the physical total
[15:23]<@BC_Programming> his refutation was "that's BS"
[15:23]<+camerongray> If you look at me, see how many times I say something like "Sorry, that's not really my area, hang around and see if anyone else can help" - None of the mods ever do that
[15:24]<@BC_Programming> then he linked to an MS article that pretty much repeated what I said :/
[15:24]<+camerongray> Another classic was when I god a new keyboard...
[15:24]<+camerongray> got*
[15:24]<@BC_Programming> heh "transformers in the keys" from their resident janitor
[15:24]<moocher> well thats way over this old duffers head, I have just grasped how to clean install windows xp
[15:24]<+camerongray> Was chatting to a couple of others who knew a bit about them, I happened to say something along the line of "This thing weighs a tonne" referring to my IBM Model M
[15:25]<+camerongray> db trying to be smart says "The reason it's so heavy is because each switch is a mini transformer and the casing is made of metal"
[15:25]<+camerongray> Which is kinda daft since I'm using one right now and can clearly see the casing is plastic
[15:25]<+camerongray> And this is clearly a transformer! http://plope.com/Members/chrism/bucklingspring_mov.gif
[15:26]<@BC_Programming> heh in the forum Geek-9pm is trying to say that MASM was last updated two decades ago
[15:26]<+camerongray> Yeah, him too
[15:26]<+camerongray> Some of the nonsense they come out with is insane
[15:26]<@BC_Programming> despite it being version 11 and released as part of the Windows 8 SDK...
[15:27]<+camerongray> But that's okay, they are professional PC technicians :P
[15:27]<+camerongray> It's not even a top job :P
[15:27]<moocher> so is it generally a certain few or just generally bad advice ?
[15:27]<+camerongray> I'd say 50% of them
[15:28]<@BC_Programming> The problem is that if you need advice you cannot really know what is good and what is bad
[15:28]<@BC_Programming> since if you did, you wouldn't need advice to begin with :P
[15:28]<moocher> true, so a lack of Constancy on the advice given.
[15:29]<+camerongray> Exactly!
[15:29]<moocher> consistency
[15:29]<+camerongray> Some are good, Lisa, baconbuttie and a lot of the newer ones
[15:30]<+camerongray> Some of the advice is downright stupid, jump to conclusions of needing a new PC or motherboard really quickly!
[15:30]<@BC_Programming> Google searches and independent research on recommendations can definitely determine their validity, the ones that are outright wrong can usually be determined pretty fast
[15:30]<+camerongray> Then they pick on my advice - For example someone said "Is it possible to use the drive from an external HDD internally" my response was "Depends on the external drive, but usually yes" lostcoast's response was that was "lame advice"
[15:31]<+camerongray> No idea how since the external drive often contains just a regular HDD!
[15:31]<moocher> right, i see
[15:32]<@BC_Programming> fact is I'd trust hardware help on the Minecraft Forums sooner than I'd trust most of the CH channel...
[15:32]<+camerongray> I mean, the storage drive in this very desktop was pulled from an old 1tb WD elements external I wasn't using - It's just a regular off-the-shelf Western Digital Green drive and merely had a little SATA to USB converter connected to it!
[15:34]<+camerongray> Many of them clearly make themselves try to seem important too, especially db100547
[15:34]<@BC_Programming> db is hilarious
[15:34]<+camerongray> Hints at having this super huge job to make his advice seem good, yet falters when you dig any deeper!
[15:35]<+camerongray> Either tells you it's secret, or runs away
[15:35]<+camerongray> Like if BC_Programming asked me anything about my job I'd answer truthfully and provice evidence! Only exception being things covered under NDAs for obviousl reasons!
[15:36]<@BC_Programming> SiteCatalyst
[15:36]<+camerongray> Must die in a hole right now!
[15:36]<@BC_Programming> hmm you could probably trick db into talking about that
[15:36]<@BC_Programming> "anybody used SiteCatalyst, it seems to be used by most big companies"
[15:36]<@BC_Programming> db would jump on that one
[15:36]<@BC_Programming> "yes we use it to manage all our inspirons"
[15:36]<+camerongray> Oh, he said "Oh, I've heard of that"
[15:37]<+camerongray> After I had to explain what it was!
[15:37]<@BC_Programming> teehee
[15:37]<+camerongray> Not SiteCatalyst anymore, now "Reports & Analytics" :P
[15:37]<@BC_Programming> "of course you heard of it I just told you"
[15:37]<+camerongray> ooh, new sexy login page: https://sitecatalyst.omniture.com/login/
[15:37]<+camerongray> Until you get in and are met with instant disappointment!
[15:37]<moocher> seems like you guy's have your favorites
[15:39]<@BC_Programming> I reserve judgement for those that I've seen give advice. Mostly I notice the ones that are repeatedly wrong or self-aggrandizing
[15:39]<moocher> well, thanks for the insight, very interesting, this old duffer is off to bed. Thanks again for your time.
[15:39]<@BC_Programming> nighty night
[15:39]<+camerongray> Cya!
[15:40]<moocher> good night :)
[15:40]<+camerongray> See what I just said!
[15:40]<+camerongray> [22:39:45] <camerongray> Hmm, not sure how it would work with HDCP
[15:40]<+camerongray> Not "Oh yes, that will work"
[15:41]<@BC_Programming> you may like my reply to mulreay's news post
[15:41]<@BC_Programming> http://www.computerhope.com/forum/index.php/topic,139019.msg885743.html#msg885743
[15:41]<@Mulreay> Why are you directing at me?
[15:42]<@BC_Programming> I like the part of the thread where Soybean basically tells reddevilggg that "if he was a parent he would understand that these are absolutely necessary" or something
[15:42]<@Mulreay> That makes no sense
[15:42]<@BC_Programming> and reddevil apparently is a parent anyway lol
[15:42]<@Mulreay> No no you are saying it against me
[15:43]<@Mulreay> It's a quote
[15:43]<@Mulreay> Why?
[15:43]<@BC_Programming> ?
[15:43]<@Mulreay> Does he realize how INEFFECTIVE this will be?
[15:43]<@Mulreay> he?
[15:43]<@Mulreay> me?
[15:44]<@BC_Programming> I was quoting the portions of the story you provided. I know you didn't write them.
[15:44]<@Mulreay> I doubt it but whatever dude
[15:45]<@BC_Programming> doubt what?
[15:45]<@Mulreay> It's
[15:45]<@Mulreay> obvious your right, why bother
[15:53]<@Mulreay> America is different from all other countries in the degree to which it considers itself different from all other countries.
[15:53]<@Mulreay> night all
[16:05]<@Mulreay> You're all stuck in the same lifeboat in the same ocean and you're all too busy trying to throw each other overboard to fix the leak... well not BC_Programming and camerongray and.. well you know who you are friends
[16:07]<@Mulreay> The Bible is 100% accurate. Especially when thrown at close range.
[16:08]<@Mulreay> Night night friends
[16:09]<+camerongray> lol! cya!
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[17:09]<+camerongray> And now gatman tries to watercool..
[17:09]<+camerongray> <guest_43> what do I need to build a custom water cooler with red liquid?
[17:09]<+camerongray> <LM> Whipper-2: well on this machine hdtune pro trail didn't show health status
[17:09]<+camerongray> <LM> so thats why i tested with parted magic
[17:09]<+camerongray> <camerongray> guest_43: Off the top of my head - Waterblock, radiator, pump, resevouir, clear tubing and red coolant
[17:09]<+camerongray> <camerongray> And lots of time!
[17:09]<+camerongray> <azander> and patience
[17:09]<+camerongray> <guest_43> is it difficult to do?
[17:09]<+camerongray> <guitarman> guest_43 add red food die to the water in cooler
[17:09]<+camerongray> <camerongray> NO no no no no
[17:09]<+camerongray> <Whipper-2> im gona go dl on my pc...this ps is throwing a fit about the link
[17:09]<+camerongray> <camerongray> guitarman: That is very bad to do
[17:09]<+camerongray> <Whipper-2> pc*
[17:09]<+camerongray> <camerongray> Fairly hard yeah, not the sort of thing you want to do just for looks
[17:09]<+camerongray> <guest_43> I can't even see the water in my cooler lol, I have a H80
[17:09]<+camerongray> <camerongray> Ahh yeah, I have an H60
[17:09]<+camerongray> <guitarman> vege die is ok not conchielle
[17:09]<+camerongray> <camerongray> guitarman: Still would never do it!
[17:10]<+camerongray> - {Day changed to Wed Jul 24 00:00:00 2013}
[17:10]<+camerongray> <camerongray> Just buy red coolant!
[17:10]<+camerongray> <guitarman> he he he
[17:10]<+camerongray> <LM> Whipper-2: get this version Parted Magic 2013_06_15 (stable)
[17:10]<+camerongray> <camerongray> Nor do you put water in the cooler!
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[17:10]<+camerongray> <guitarman> watercoolers , no water , mmmm odd that
[17:10]<+camerongray> <camerongray> guitarman: Yeah, you don't use water, you use proper coolant
[17:10]<+camerongray> <guest_04> hey i have a question concerning running dual monitors off my graphics card can someone help me out?
[17:10]<+camerongray> <camerongray> I mean, you can I suppose, but it's not ideal
[17:10]<@BC_Programming> my favourite part is "vege die is ok not conchielle"
[17:11]<+camerongray> yeah!
[17:11]<@BC_Programming> not even sure what he is saying there lol
[17:11]<+camerongray> I have a vision of him holding a reservoir under a tap!
[17:12]<@BC_Programming> I'm going to be testing registry cleaners and tune-up tools, setup the VMs yesterday
[17:12]<@BC_Programming> wonder what "problems" they will find with entirely clean Windows XP SP3 and Win7 SP1 installations?
[17:13]<@BC_Programming> My favourite is the one that SuperTweaker mentioned will actually completely destroy the help & Support functionality of XP
[17:16]<@Mulreay> camerongray have you ever watched the 'breakfast club'?
[17:17]<+camerongray> Nope
[17:18]<@Mulreay> Worth a watch some time..
[17:18]<@Mulreay> Just saying its a good film
[18:21]<+camerongray> We need a jingle for "DB tries to be smart and falls on his face"
[18:21]<+camerongray> <db100547> camerongray: also the s100 bus , was , at that time , superb . . lots of cards made to plug into it .
[18:21]<+camerongray> When talking about the BBC Micro and old Acorn Archamedes machines
[18:22]<@BC_Programming> lol
[18:22]<+camerongray> Not sure what bus the BBC hard, but certainly didn't take cards!
[18:22]<+camerongray> And the Archamedes used a bus called DMA Extended Bus Interface (DEBI)
[18:22]<@BC_Programming> the s100 was for Altair
[18:23]<+camerongray> He was talking about altair earlier :P
[18:23]<+camerongray> I guess the BBCs are based on that then :P
[18:23]<+camerongray> I like 'LM' now though, they still use a BBC :D
[18:24]<@BC_Programming> S100 was obsolete by '77 heh
[18:24]<@BC_Programming> I do like his inherent ad populum- 'It was superb [because] lots of cards were made to use it'
[18:26]<+camerongray> lol
[18:30]<+camerongray> Can't wait until I move though, might have space to actually set up all my vintage machines along one wall!
[18:33]<+camerongray> I remember the monitor on the A310 - connected to the PC with a DB-9 connector but the monitor actually had a SCART connector on it!
[18:34]<+camerongray> I remember using the monitor with a DVD player for ages before I discovered the PC actually did work and just needed reset (Thought it was dead as it just displayed erratic colours)
[18:35]<+camerongray> Wow! Come to think of it, uses the same monitor as sold by Commodore, but branded as Archamedes
[18:42]<@BC_Programming> well time to see and document how crappy Advanced SystemCare 6.3 is
[18:42]<@BC_Programming> this should be hilarious
[18:43]<jamer> ive removed it from computers .... its crappy
[18:43]<@BC_Programming> I alread yknow it's crappy
[18:43]<@BC_Programming> Every single "tune up" suite ever made is designed for one purpose, to separate morons from their money
[18:43]<@BC_Programming> or not morons, but rather those that are computer ignorant
[18:44]<@BC_Programming> I think it will be funny to see what it says about a fresh Windows install
[18:56]<@BC_Programming> oh wow I'm going to have a field day simply with the installer
[19:01]<@BC_Programming> hmm
[19:01]<@BC_Programming> this blog post may break my swearing record
[19:12]<@BC_Programming> hmm Advanced System Care Free doesn't have the reg cleaner
[19:12]<@BC_Programming> darn
[19:12]<@BC_Programming> I wanted to make fun of it
[20:43]<jamer> bc ... i found an old post of yours of someone trying to bash you on smartphones O.o
[20:44]<@BC_Programming> eyup
[20:44]<@BC_Programming> Cityscape?
[20:44]<jamer> http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1206565-why-does-bc-programming-think-smartphones-are-stupid/
[20:44]<jamer> i congrats you on reaping him a new one....
[20:45]<@BC_Programming> ooooh MC forums too
[20:45]<@BC_Programming> I was thinking CH forum lol
[20:45]<jamer> lol
[20:46]<@BC_Programming> lol my favourite part
[20:46]<@BC_Programming> "here kids, watch this video on this tiny screen that is guaranteed to give you nearsightedness later in life" "thanks dad"
[20:47]<jamer> i laughed at that
[20:48]<jamer> i totally agree with you on people constantly upgrading their phone just to have the newest greatest thing
[20:49]<jamer> my phone is old ... i think camerongray has a newer phone than i do
[20:49]<@BC_Programming> heh "The problem is not that people find use with smartphones, but the fact is that the vast majority don't buy them for function. They buy them for the same reason people get crown moulding, chandeliers, or to wear hats. "
[20:50]<jamer> lol
[20:51]<jamer> "3. They own it for the "status" symbol. Not for any functional capability it provides."
[20:52]<@BC_Programming> eg. iPhone
[20:52]<jamer> school is an example ... almost everyone is buying an iphone because so and so is buying it
[20:53]<jamer> i love my android phone i have ... i really dont care that its not the newest or the most powerful ... it does what i need
[20:56]<jamer> there is times where i have to use it cause my laptop would be impractical but its not gonna replace my laptop XD
[21:09]<jamer> BC_Programming i love your private policy on your site XD
[21:11]<@BC_Programming> lol anti-duck propaganda
[21:12]<jamer> or the spam
[21:13]<@BC_Programming> " Further, Pursuant to a law I just made up that doesnt really exist, you will be obliged to show naked pictures of close personal friends to ducks in nearby duck ponds, and record the sounds they make upon seeing them. At this point you will reverse said recordings and send it to me, where I will listen to said recordings and try to draw the lude images that inspired the sounds."
[21:15]<jamer> lol
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